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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics on podcast episode

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number 465 for the 17th of September

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2017 Richard Saunders here with you from

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a gloriously sunny Sydney Australia the

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sort of weather I really love nice and

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sunny without being hot well warm anyway

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although in the past week we had

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something of a record-breaking heat day

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for September I heard along the way it

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was pretty hot

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coming up on this week's show and I'm

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gonna race through these because it's a

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big show today lots in the show and lots

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of extra notes to talk about but coming

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up in this week's show i chat to author

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Kurt Anderson who's just written a book

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called Fantasyland how America went

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haywire a 500 year history Kurt and I

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will be discussing conspiracy theories

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from his new book we have brouhaha

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science this week Ben Lewis looks at

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mining asteroids then it's may not

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spooky action Maynard chats to dr. Kyle

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cruising Liske

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from an interview may not did some years

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ago but it's so relevant today because

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dr. Kyle talks about all sorts of

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interesting science as he normally does

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including some things of a particular

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interest to skeptics of course like how

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your memory can fool you Maynard and dr.

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Carl coming up a bit later on

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then my on-the-spot live report and boy

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was this live from an anti vaccination

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rally here in Sydney I went along to see

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what was going on and as I was filming

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live for Facebook so people around the

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world could check it out now one of the

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organizers comes up and confronts me

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what happened what ensued what did I say

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what did she say find out later on in

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you last week when I appeared on

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national TV to talk about the Australian

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skeptics $100,000 prize and offered that

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prize to somebody who claims their

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psychic on the show and they turned me

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down we have a report about that TV

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something that came up in the last week

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the last week saw the third anniversary

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mystery the police have not given up

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finding this poor little boy who it

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yard of his grandmother if I've got my

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story right and police have renewed

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their investigation or at least went out

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publicly to remind the public the person

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when he said this but please don't waste

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that time we're not interested in that

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information from clairvoyance or people

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disappearance so there is a very direct

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police are not interested in fantasies

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all around the world well done indeed

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to a to conclusion now I've got lots

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more to say at the end of the show more

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thinks a chat about but for now it's

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enjoy the skeptic zone

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from New York is the author of the

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Fantasyland how America went haywire a

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500 year history is Kurt Anderson hello

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Kurt hello happy to be with you great to

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catch up with you all the way New York I

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a convention and my first trip to New

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York I loved it apart from the heat of

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about New York or the New York will

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factor in soon I think in our discussion

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now the publisher sent me a little bit

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of information about the book fantasy

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land can you give me your take on this

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book and what inspired you to write it

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and various things I've written over the

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years and in essays in fiction all kinds

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of ways about America's extreme

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religiosity compared to the rest of the

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developed world about lately especially

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how preposterous conspiracy theories

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have moved from the fringes into the

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mainstream and really have started to

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affect national policy and politics

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about all of the various ways in which

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fiction and reality and again it's it's

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the political right but it also

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of tracing the threads back in history

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important time but then I thought no

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there let's keep going and and really I

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that there was none there and and and

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country generally speaking I mean I had

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country roads and at one stage there was

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tongues and and and so much more the

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belief of not just pockets of people but

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of tens of millions of people it's it's

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remarkable and so that is not the whole

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big part of the inquiry and and and one

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parts of our difference from from our

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peer nations around the world yes I've

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been hearing stories about the end times

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decades and centuries before then that

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oddly enough as Disneyland out for

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Trump administration fake news all that

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a conspiracy theories and you mentioned

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sorts of bizarre things like the the

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conspiracy theory we've got the the

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climate change hoax conspiracy theory

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the birther gate all that sort of thing

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fascinating ones from your point of view

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fascinating because although that kind

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of conspiracy conspiracy ISM and

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conspiracy theorizing has become a much

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more central and predominant part of the

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than the left the 9/11 conspiracy theory

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thing believed by people on the left

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president United States at the time was

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obviously as i stipulate again and again

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to protect myself in this book there are

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conspiracies the conspiracy sometimes

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a conspiracy and there are others

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but the extensiveness and duration and

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frankly preposterous Ness of these

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conspiracy theories like that the 9/11

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was an inside job by the United States

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government perhaps in complicity with

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Mossad and from Israel is that they are

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religious faith and I say that not just

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by analogy but I think it is partly

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Americans religiosity whether or not

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they are religious people but that part

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of the character that that passionate

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belief against all empirical evidence in

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whatever you wish to believe that drives

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these kinds of these kinds of flamboyant

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conspiracy theories and of course that

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has always been around it did get a in

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in the wake of President Kennedy's

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assassination in the 1960s conspiracy

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theorizing god I've got a bump in in the

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American discourse but it really became

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mainstreamed and and and part of so much

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of mainstream politics especially on the

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right in the last twenty years and the

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9/11 truther ISM was part of that then

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Donald Trump entering politics six years

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ago on the basis of his belief or

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alleged belief in a conspiracy that has

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that covered up Barack Obama's foreign

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birth well I think the first one that

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really struck me was the moon landing

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when that came out the moon happening

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the hoax

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believers all that sort of thing which

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surprised me at the time I didn't take

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it seriously but years later people were

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still passionately believing in that but

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I think the most the most extreme

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example I would agree would be 9/11

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where people are jealous they're

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absolutely convinced to the point of

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almost a mania that this must have this

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must have been the case well they are

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and I was on a radio program this week

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talking about my book and and and one of

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the passionate believers in in that call

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and hit

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his anger was was he seized with anger

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that I dared lump him in with a

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religious believer he but no he is not

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he's not religious he doesn't believe in

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God he doesn't believe in the

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supernatural but this this conspiracy to

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blow up the World Trade Center he has

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proof of that

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it's ferocious and and and their faith

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is unshakable as though it's religion

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and and as I said to him listen if a

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journalist had in it there are many

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there hundreds thousands of journalists

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in America in the world who would become

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famous overnight and earn Pulitzer

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Prizes and everything else if they could

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present the facts that showed that this

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was a conspiracy and an inside job why

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have none of them done done it and he

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just had no answer for that he knew the

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truth and and he couldn't explain why

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why nobody else has exposed it so it is

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and again if you say would the moon

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landings were faked that was a joke that

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was four years after 1969 after the moon

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landings that was along the lines of oh

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the flat earthers you know people who

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believe they're at this flat out people

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who believe the lunar landings mistake

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well the near landings being faked is no

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more preposterous or true than Barack

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Obama was born in Kenya and it's a

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measure of what what has happened in the

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in these decades that such a such a

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allegation or the allegation that a

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global warming is a hoax perpetrated by

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a conspiracy of scientists and

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journalists and liberals and governments

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that those are no longer fringe ideas or

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dismissed as crackpot ideas but are in

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the indie arena as as mainstream

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orthodoxy it's certainly a bizarre

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situation and you're right I think it's

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seems to be centred on the United States

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so they're not exclusively of course

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these know these conspiracy theories go

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around the world folks the book is

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called fantasy land how America went

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haywire a 500 year history and that's

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available from random

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I will be putting links in this week's

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show notes if you want to get yourself a

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copy it looks like a fascinating read

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well listen Kurt thank you very much for

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your time for the skeptic zone today and

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they're all the best with the book

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thanks so much Richard I appreciate it

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and now direct from the cafe and

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Australia's Science Channel

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it's brouhaha science in less time than

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it takes to order a coffee with Ben

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Lewis so you want to be an asteroid

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mining magnate we've got one word for

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you watch some Berg step one start an

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asteroid mining company and set up an

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office in the tiny landlocked European

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country we hear the capital city also

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called Luxembourg is really nice in

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spring step 2 invest heavily in research

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and development and build all the

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rockets and mining equipment you'll need

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of course we think you should stay in

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Australia for this step there's nothing

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stopping you from heading overseas step

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3 figure out when a valuable asteroid is

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passing close enough to earth that you

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can blast off land on it and extract all

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the resources you can step 4 guess all

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the minerals was a space dust whatever

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you found back to earth safely

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step 5 profit thanks to Luxembourg the

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asteroid mining law while you never

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owned the asteroid itself now that you

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successfully mined it you own everything

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you found and afraid to sell it for

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profit and even though you're based in

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Australia because you have that office

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in Luxembourg you're covered by that law

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so there you have it your five-point

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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[Music]

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risky doctor may knock some personal

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business for the listeners I believe

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your shoulder is not well at all at the

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moment are those surfing injuries some

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people say it was a 40-footer I say was

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a bit less maybe 39-foot less physician

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heal thyself hey going well pretty well

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the bones healing itself nicely as it

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does the they say the bone is the prince

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of tissues and God blessed it's feeling

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all by itself and soon I'll have full

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range of mobility back if you can have

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your time over again as a physician is

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there another area you'd like to study

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instead of your chosen path no the only

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change I would have done would be to

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have not dropped off the bodybuilding

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and the martial arts I would have kept

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that up no but that's a lot to do and

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study

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yeah healthy mind healthy body if I had

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more muscle mass over my shoulder the

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surfboard wouldn't have smashed the

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shoulder ball up into little pieces yeah

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well I also have a show on the BBC and

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how are the Brits taken to you

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I've been fabulously well I've a little

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bit different from the American audience

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who seems to be basically and I don't

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know why my favorite American audience

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are born-again fundamentalist gun-toting

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Christians from Texas oh really what

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what you don't get any left-wing

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Americans far as I can tell in America

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you have two political parties you have

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the Republicans that correspond to our

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right-wing party and you have the

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Democrats that correspond to our

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right-wing party so I'd have somebody

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ring in and say I'd say g'day how you

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going and he'd say well blessed in the

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blood of the Lord God Jesus who came

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from heaven and died on a cross for our

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sins we all might have life everlasting

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John 3:16 how are you and sometimes it

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just short him down too blessed in the

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blood of the Lord God Jesus or just

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blessed by Lord he was thinking hmm this

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car would ask really deep questions and

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he was a minister as you would guess a

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minister of religion in Baptist Church

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there are many varieties of Baptist

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Church there and he firmly believed that

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the world was only 6,000 years old he

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also had a PhD in nuclear physics and so

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he knew about radioactive decay of

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elements he had a PhD in nuclear

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chemistry and he designed and built

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nuclear weapons his weekend job was just

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being a minister of religion and so one

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part of his brain knows that the

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universe has been around for a really

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long time and the other part of his

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brain thinks has been around for 6,000

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years most of us are not perfect we do

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have variation between what we say what

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we do isn't that called hypocrisy

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no you do the we're only human at the

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end of the day if you've got kids and if

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the kids aren't bleeding and the house

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isn't on fire it's been a good day

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that's true and when you go to bed at

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the end of your good day dr. Kyle Cruz

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on this key in your book you mentioned

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dreams what do you dream about the most

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often I dream on anything but I have two

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recurrent dreams one is the nightmare of

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sitting for an exam and I have no

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clothes on and the phone rings and phone

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rings and the other nightmare is that I

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can fly and I've even found the park in

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a Sydney where I do the flying I drove

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past it one day I thought wow and I

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think about Drew's is that there's this

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myth which is one of the 35 minutes I

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deal with in my book this is myth where

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people say oh I never dream everybody

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dreams at least four times or not but

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whether you remember your dreams depends

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on how soon after you finish dreaming

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that you wake up and so if you wake up

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within five minutes mate you remember

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beautifully 15 minutes you forget it if

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you want to prove that somebody dreams

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of somebody who says I never dream sneak

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up on them and then just watch them

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carefully and when their eyes underneath

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their closed eyelids start going left

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right left right

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there's how they're watching an

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invisible tennis match wait until I

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finished flicking left and rightness is

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called REM or rapid eye movement shake

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them gently and say what you were

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dreaming about and they'll tell you now

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what are you sitting on other faith

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matters such as life after death I know

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it's the biggie where do you sit on that

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one at the moment I'm waiting for the

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proof that's not fun but yeah there's

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the whole out-of-body experience thing

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being able to prove or replicate the

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out-of-body experience

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by stimulating the left or the right

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angular gyrus in the brain and sure

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enough you either come out of your body

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and see yourself or you actually float

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above yourself and look down now there's

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a few theaters around the world

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operating theaters where people do say

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well I'm waking up that they had the

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out-of-body of experience and in each

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case they've especially prepared the

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theater and they say oh and what did you

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see they said I'll just you guys and did

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you see anything over in that corner

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pointing to a corner with as a cupboard

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and is something so high up you can't

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see it from the ground and they say no

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and what they have is some very bright

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dolls or deafened a causal something we

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which if somebody were to fully which

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you can see from the

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in the theater and so far all the people

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who have claimed they've had an

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out-of-body experience not one of them

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was able to say yes I saw a Daffy Duck

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doll in the corner what are those people

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to claim they've they've seen events

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going on outside the theater or in other

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parts of the town or the country and

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climbing right ahead

548
00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:35,160
show me the proof write down what you

549
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,630
saw just go and check it out right now

550
00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:38,460
not a month later not a year later right

551
00:23:46,030 --> 00:23:42,150
on the spot you see memory is so easy to

552
00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:46,040
fool it is possible to insert a memory

553
00:23:53,419 --> 00:23:49,620
into one quarter of people's brains and

554
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:53,429
this was done by Elizabeth Loftus LOF to

555
00:23:57,710 --> 00:23:55,370
us who was dealing with this whole

556
00:23:59,720 --> 00:23:57,720
repressed memory epidemic that was

557
00:24:01,640 --> 00:23:59,730
running around the countryside about a

558
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:01,650
decade or so you know people claiming

559
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,900
after much psychological counseling and

560
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:06,120
hypnosis to have been abused by

561
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:10,140
everybody and she showed how easy it was

562
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:11,580
to insert a memory she got a whole bunch

563
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:13,110
of people that she was in Los Angeles

564
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:14,970
and here Disneyland at a university

565
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:17,490
campus there and she calls students in

566
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:19,410
and would give him $100 each time they

567
00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:20,730
came in now and then came back in the

568
00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:22,340
year's time for one hour of

569
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:24,270
psychological testing you know answer

570
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:25,860
this answer this what was your favorite

571
00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:27,809
color do you prefer paintings ago this

572
00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:29,040
way or that way all that sort of stuff

573
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,540
but in fact she didn't care about that

574
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:33,600
and so before she called them in to do

575
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:34,800
the psychology test and she said look

576
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:36,690
I'm sorry there's a bit of a delay who's

577
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:37,679
got to hang around for a few minutes

578
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:39,690
they're still doing the previous sky so

579
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:41,820
later Disneyland you know they'd say oh

580
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,020
yeah yeah cuz everybody's been to

581
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,059
Disneyland there and they say ah Disney

582
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:48,000
how do you like it when Daffy Duck comes

583
00:24:51,650 --> 00:24:49,410
up and gives you a cuddle and they say

584
00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:51,660
well I didn't happen to me but yeah I

585
00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:54,150
guess it must be nice and then they go

586
00:24:58,220 --> 00:24:56,190
away come back a year later and this

587
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:58,230
time so the whole purpose of it was so

588
00:25:01,460 --> 00:24:59,820
that she could say to them how did you

589
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:01,470
like it when Daffy Duck gave you a cover

590
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,130
and that was it

591
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:04,200
a year later she doesn't mention Daffy

592
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:05,640
Duck she said oh well I'm sorry there's

593
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:08,610
a bit of a delay so been to Disney Land

594
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,440
recently no dad you remember anything

595
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:11,760
about Disneyland from when your kid oh

596
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:14,370
yeah Daffy Duck gave me a cuddle which

597
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:17,370
is impossible because Daffy Duck is a

598
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,410
Warner Brothers character and not a

599
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,020
Disney character she had successfully

600
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:24,720
implanted a false memory into one

601
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:28,500
quarter of people so when you're say oh

602
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:29,910
what about people who say that they can

603
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:31,170
float out of the air

604
00:25:34,910 --> 00:25:32,820
and report things far away I'll say sure

605
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:34,920
show me the proof when was the operation

606
00:25:39,290 --> 00:25:36,930
now show me your note you dated notes in

607
00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:39,300
the book will you you said that you saw

608
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:41,160
something okay and let's just check the

609
00:25:44,660 --> 00:25:42,570
records that thing actually happened at

610
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:44,670
that place at that time and then

611
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:46,140
suddenly the whole thing falls to water

612
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:47,610
now we're certainly all fallible as

613
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:49,290
humans and I'm wearing my loud shirt to

614
00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:51,210
prove that today and I'm a big fan of

615
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,800
the CI Channel I love crime and

616
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:54,840
investigation and in your book in your

617
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:56,370
book you've got fingerprints are not all

618
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:57,690
different apparently like fingerprints

619
00:26:00,980 --> 00:25:59,610
can't be used as there could be someone

620
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:00,990
out there were the same fingerprints and

621
00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:04,380
me right they just say blandly that all

622
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,300
fingerprints are different that's never

623
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:08,820
been proven and increasingly there are

624
00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:11,730
cases coming out where people have had

625
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:13,800
fingerprints have been convicted on the

626
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:15,330
basis of identical fingerprints new

627
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:17,010
evidence has come up or DNA evidence has

628
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:18,180
come through or witnesses come forward

629
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,670
and they go and check the fingerprints

630
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:21,840
and they still the same but it's not the

631
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:23,160
same person they got they got the wrong

632
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,810
person because they work on a number of

633
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:26,220
points that have to be the same and so

634
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:27,510
it's not that they're not looking at the

635
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,470
whole squiggle they're looking at a

636
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:29,760
couple of points on the fingerprint

637
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:31,260
that's great yeah that's right like I

638
00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:33,390
got about 50 or 70 different points they

639
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:35,430
look at 5 or 10 or 50 and it varies from

640
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,590
country to country out of a whole number

641
00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:40,080
of points of identified entity they look

642
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:42,300
at anything between 8 and 15 depending

643
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:44,250
on what country you're in and even if

644
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,020
all eight are the same what about the

645
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:49,080
other 50 with the CSI thing in some

646
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,930
cases they make up identification

647
00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:54,120
techniques that don't even exist and you

648
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:56,280
know the GSR the gunshot residue one oh

649
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,050
you loved that one yeah which can be

650
00:27:01,940 --> 00:26:59,520
ruined by simply putting hands in Bleach

651
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,950
and everything and even sitting in a

652
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:04,380
chair where somebody who has fired a gun

653
00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:08,370
has sat or sitting in the same car as

654
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,800
somebody who has fired a gun now most

655
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:12,600
american police officers would fire a

656
00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:15,810
gun and they'd put you in the back and

657
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:17,430
you pick it up and then of course you're

658
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:20,130
guilty oh it's just such a con I'm sorry

659
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:22,290
they lied to you in microwaves they're

660
00:27:26,540 --> 00:27:25,140
not radioactive and but monkey is a

661
00:27:28,820 --> 00:27:26,550
great detective monk is a great

662
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,830
Detective Inspector monk well he has got

663
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:31,440
himself a nice happy Manor and he just

664
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,260
worries after the truth he's good I like

665
00:27:38,270 --> 00:27:35,880
him now what about cockroaches

666
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:38,280
cockroaches I'm not the only creature

667
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:39,450
that will survive a nuclear holocaust

668
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,830
and what about the one about the daddy

669
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,840
longlegs my seven-year-old daughter came

670
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:44,480
home and said daddy daddy Longley

671
00:27:47,530 --> 00:27:46,010
I've got the world's most poisonous

672
00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:47,540
venom I can't kill you because if fangs

673
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:48,620
are too short have you heard that one

674
00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:50,270
yeah it is impossible but the kids

675
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:51,350
believe it and a lot of people believe

676
00:27:55,390 --> 00:27:53,960
it and in fact firstly some of the

677
00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:55,400
creatures that have cited that a daddy

678
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:56,750
longlegs some of them are spiders and

679
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,130
some are not they're a similar creature

680
00:28:02,530 --> 00:27:59,360
with eight legs but it's not a spider

681
00:28:04,390 --> 00:28:02,540
secondly they do have a poison but it's

682
00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:04,400
not very powerful and thirdly there

683
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:05,780
things are long enough but it's not so

684
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:06,980
he's impressive when your daughter comes

685
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:08,330
up to you and say hey guess what daddy

686
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:10,490
daddy longlegs have a bite that's mildly

687
00:28:14,049 --> 00:28:12,350
irritating one I like in the book is the

688
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:14,059
yelling on mobile phones whenever we

689
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:15,610
hear people yelling on mobile phones

690
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:17,870
we've got a reason we've got a

691
00:28:22,060 --> 00:28:19,610
scientific backup of what to say to them

692
00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:22,070
what is a concise way to say to someone

693
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:23,299
who's yelling on the mobile phone not to

694
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:25,450
do it there's an automatic gain control

695
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:28,490
inside your phone on the microphone and

696
00:28:33,010 --> 00:28:30,830
you don't have to shout and so all you

697
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,020
have to do on a mobile phone is speak at

698
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,120
a normal speaking volume you don't have

699
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:36,799
to shout but what if it allowed back

700
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:37,760
what if you're in the middle of a dance

701
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:39,080
floors I've seen people in middle of a

702
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:40,100
dance floor trick cause you've got a

703
00:28:43,419 --> 00:28:41,809
very loud noise behind you got to cut

704
00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:43,429
through that I mean you do you have to

705
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,900
increase your signal to noise ratio and

706
00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:46,880
in that case I'd recommend wrapping your

707
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:49,340
hand around the microphone and then

708
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,710
shouting but on a bus with people talk

709
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:53,360
to each other in a normal speaking tone

710
00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:54,620
you don't have to suddenly start Shelby

711
00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:57,230
yes honey I'll get the milk oh that's

712
00:29:02,110 --> 00:28:59,630
good you don't have to shout on a bus

713
00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:02,120
you can just talk at a normal tone do

714
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:03,169
you think these are people that speak

715
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:05,929
loudly anyway hi my name is Karl and my

716
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:08,299
hobby is shouting one that has come up

717
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,010
again and again with people of Toronto

718
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:12,080
lose weight is the old spot reduction of

719
00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:13,730
fat most people who run gyms will tell

720
00:29:16,659 --> 00:29:14,990
you that there is no such thing but

721
00:29:17,409 --> 00:29:16,669
there are some people that believe by

722
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:17,419
doing situps

723
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:19,220
your tummy will get flatter merely by

724
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:21,140
doing that when you do lots of sit-ups

725
00:29:26,409 --> 00:29:23,570
you will develop better abdominal

726
00:29:28,930 --> 00:29:26,419
muscles but those abdominal muscles will

727
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,940
be your little secret your private

728
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:30,799
secret underneath your little fat tummy

729
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:34,250
it's quite separate that you remove the

730
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,700
fat by changing the number of calories

731
00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:39,200
in versus calories out

732
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:40,669
it's just calories in and calories out

733
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:42,169
so we just should just do lots of

734
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:43,940
cardiovascular and that'll boil it away

735
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:46,160
and watch what we get and I know it

736
00:29:51,070 --> 00:29:48,290
sounds ridiculously simple and that's of

737
00:29:53,140 --> 00:29:51,080
course why people go for other more

738
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:53,150
complicated ways of doing it and buy my

739
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,010
new machine for $70 and we'll help you

740
00:29:59,660 --> 00:29:57,120
know the ab trainer the

741
00:30:01,880 --> 00:29:59,670
absolution the abbé this the abdomenizer

742
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,890
do you reckon they will get a fat pill

743
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:03,120
of answer that like reduces your

744
00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:05,190
appetite and speed you metabolism up

745
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,540
that works and doesn't have side effects

746
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,520
all drugs have side effects what matters

747
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:10,620
is the dose but people just don't want

748
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,809
to hear watch what you eat and exercise

749
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,059
more than you intake which is basically

750
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:17,340
the answer isn't it oh well with regard

751
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,290
to this whole nuclear energy debate and

752
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:24,000
global warming debate you can pretty

753
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:25,710
well discuss most the issues in one and

754
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,090
a half hours which is as long as it

755
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,520
takes to watch a good game of Aussie

756
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:31,260
Rules on TV but people don't want to do

757
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:33,510
that so how is your production of

758
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,190
zero-point energy coming along at home

759
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:37,500
by the way Carl I'd like to make some

760
00:30:41,660 --> 00:30:40,260
zero point energy but we know it exists

761
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:41,670
and we know there's enough energy in one

762
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:44,460
cubic centimeter to boil dry all the

763
00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:46,170
oceans on earth but we've got no way of

764
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,660
accessing that energy we did invent

765
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,120
zero-point energy doesn't all energy

766
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,640
decay to heat eventually so if we had

767
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:55,440
unlimited free energy that planet would

768
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,700
probably be as hot as Venus by the end

769
00:30:59,960 --> 00:30:58,559
of it anyway if we started using up huge

770
00:31:00,890 --> 00:30:59,970
amounts of energy yeah but then what

771
00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:00,900
makes you think we're gonna stay on

772
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:03,900
planet earth our means of getting into

773
00:31:08,419 --> 00:31:07,170
space is so stupid what we have is a big

774
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,429
metal cylinder you're full of full of

775
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:10,260
explosive you put some humans at the

776
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:12,030
pointy end you like the weak and if it

777
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:13,770
doesn't blow up in eight minutes then

778
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,910
you're in orbit do you want to fold

779
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:16,260
space in front of you we haven't got I

780
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,520
found you on the planet to do that yet

781
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,620
Carl well we need the smarts not energy

782
00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:21,840
you're in a fold space or the elevator

783
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:23,790
to space the current method of getting

784
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:26,370
around our solar system is just stupid

785
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:27,270
and we've got to come up with something

786
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:28,650
better and physics will give us the

787
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:30,420
answer oh there's one thing to

788
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,710
intellectually know is another to

789
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,240
experience like every time I fly in a

790
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:36,120
jumbo I think I'm amazed it weighs 400

791
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,100
tonnes and the thing flies like a bird I

792
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:39,840
know the physics is there but I'm still

793
00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:41,790
filled with awe and wonder that it

794
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:43,230
doesn't is there something you want to

795
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:45,030
experience scientifically that we do on

796
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:46,020
this planet that you're yet to

797
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:47,490
experience that you really want to do

798
00:31:50,740 --> 00:31:48,870
before you die Carl it's the number one

799
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:50,750
on the list yeah I want to get the

800
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:53,550
Northern Lights and you've got to go

801
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:56,130
back up into Norway you shouldn't have

802
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:57,240
seen them from Norway I thought you

803
00:32:01,520 --> 00:31:59,610
could up there we were in summer ah got

804
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:01,530
again six months later in winter and I

805
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:03,660
reckon that you get a lot of mist so if

806
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:05,490
you're up there for seven nights you've

807
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:07,230
got a good chance that one of those

808
00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:09,000
nights will be clear and the Northern

809
00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:10,040
Lights will be running

810
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:11,390
but you got to be there for about a week

811
00:32:14,860 --> 00:32:13,130
to be able to be sure of seeing it

812
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:14,870
before we finish off here I'd like to

813
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:16,730
ask you Carl what's the one thing each

814
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:19,220
of us could do every day to improve our

815
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,410
life you're someone who your physician

816
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:23,510
you've seen children and adults well and

817
00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:24,590
sick throughout their life both

818
00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:26,360
physically and psychologically you've

819
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,500
met a lot of interesting people in your

820
00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:29,360
life what is the thing that seems to be

821
00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:31,100
the key to happiness and well-being that

822
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,470
one thing we could do each day oh well

823
00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:35,360
to habits and well-being do a bit of

824
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:38,150
exercise but I guess these things to put

825
00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:39,350
yourself in other people's shoes

826
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:41,780
and to see things from their point of

827
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:44,240
view compassion it's really things don't

828
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:46,250
bother me that much misses physical

829
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:49,250
violence on me personally so if somebody

830
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:52,550
takes a parking spot mmm yeah big deal

831
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:54,950
the wife gets one look at least I've

832
00:32:59,230 --> 00:32:56,210
been going around the country on this

833
00:33:03,610 --> 00:32:59,240
book tour and in Melbourne I met this

834
00:33:06,930 --> 00:33:03,620
guy who's 54 years old and for 52 of his

835
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:06,940
54 years of life he's lived in war zones

836
00:33:14,140 --> 00:33:12,290
Iran Iraq and Korea the Kurds and for

837
00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:14,150
every year of his life except for two

838
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:16,760
people have been shooting at him or his

839
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:18,530
family or dropping bombs in the only two

840
00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:20,870
years where they haven't been is when he

841
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:23,540
came to Australia and he thinks it's

842
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,360
heaven on earth he can't believe it not

843
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:28,640
only were people not shooting at you but

844
00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:30,050
if you have a heart attack and fall down

845
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:31,640
in the street people you don't know will

846
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:33,080
call an ambulance and other people don't

847
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:33,950
know we'll take you to a hospital

848
00:33:37,330 --> 00:33:35,270
another people you don't know will fix

849
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:37,340
you you can't believe it it's it's

850
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:39,860
paradise take everything is relative

851
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:41,810
yeah that's right things could be a lot

852
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:45,470
worse and just enjoy I mean life's not a

853
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:46,970
practice this is it this is the one go

854
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:48,710
you get and what does the cruise and the

855
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:50,330
ski family do at Christmas what what

856
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:52,400
Christmas greetings is the Karl family

857
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:53,540
give to the world how do you celebrate

858
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:56,090
the whole thing well we do it twice did

859
00:33:59,530 --> 00:33:57,980
you dress up to put a beard on no no no

860
00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:59,540
we do it twice firstly we have the

861
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:00,950
Polish Christmas which happens on

862
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:03,170
Christmas Eve now we're talking all

863
00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:05,150
right and then we have the regular

864
00:34:08,290 --> 00:34:06,830
Christmas which happens the next morning

865
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,300
so we get two bites at the cherry I

866
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:09,679
think there's nothing wrong with having

867
00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:11,540
lots of fun and lots of parties and so

868
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:13,190
you don't dress up in any way I can eat

869
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:14,390
the kids something special but what do

870
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:15,980
you do we get the Christmas tree we put

871
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:17,300
up the Christmas lights do you do

872
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,710
special things with the lights if you

873
00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:20,240
got them to spell out you know some sort

874
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:22,940
of equals MC squared with the squared

875
00:34:28,359 --> 00:34:23,690
flash

876
00:34:29,619 --> 00:34:28,369
Oh Maynard you have just suggested a

877
00:34:31,089 --> 00:34:29,629
brilliant because I mean because I mean

878
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:31,099
it's very easy to do it chase a lot you

879
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:33,770
could make a name yeah equals mc-squared

880
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:35,450
is coming up on our Christmas lights

881
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:36,950
this year and before you go any

882
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:38,270
predictions for the near future you know

883
00:34:41,169 --> 00:34:39,470
what's coming up you know what people

884
00:34:42,849 --> 00:34:41,179
are doing with computers and electronics

885
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:42,859
what will we be doing what will be the

886
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:44,089
big we'll be talking about in a couple

887
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:46,970
of months time well firstly as always

888
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,079
computers will get faster and cheaper

889
00:34:53,529 --> 00:34:52,490
secondly hopefully somewhere in the

890
00:34:55,809 --> 00:34:53,539
world they'll be an exception I want to

891
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:55,819
see it thirdly Tom will continue to tick

892
00:34:58,990 --> 00:34:57,410
by at the rate of one second per second

893
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:59,000
what's a fairly solid but the strains

894
00:35:02,799 --> 00:35:01,130
have shirts shirts shirts have not got

895
00:35:04,089 --> 00:35:02,809
louder your shirts you're sure you're

896
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:04,099
very loud but they haven't got any

897
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,730
louder made you and me the sole keepers

898
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,440
of the faith when it comes to loud shirt

899
00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:11,119
yeah we just keep trying but we just

900
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:12,500
gotta keep try and gradually we'll

901
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,970
whittle the pot until I think it's like

902
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:15,440
the sound barrier we've got the loudest

903
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:16,609
shirt so we're just got to work that

904
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:18,049
little bit harder to get past that

905
00:35:21,549 --> 00:35:19,940
barrier of being loud I think it's like

906
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:21,559
that we will crack it out there look

907
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:22,970
thank you very much dr. Carl Cruz nice

908
00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:24,710
of the book is it ain't necessarily so

909
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,750
from a man I'm very happy to call bro

910
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:28,160
dr. Carl thank you for talking to us

911
00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:30,410
today I think he doesn't matter yo peace

912
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:31,180
out

913
00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:44,380
[Music]

914
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:51,870
hey people tickets are available for the

915
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,390
skeptics convention dinner that's right

916
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,700
as part of skeptic on at every stray

917
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:58,560
lien skeptic National Convention there's

918
00:36:02,090 --> 00:35:59,520
a formal dinner

919
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:02,100
or should I say there is a full dinner

920
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,290
the social highlight of an already

921
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:07,380
highlight full event that's right people

922
00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:10,650
will be talking and skeptic on 2017 will

923
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:12,750
be no exception that's right no

924
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:14,580
exception not even you

925
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:15,900
the dinner will be held on Saturday

926
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:18,510
November 18th that's right

927
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:21,770
write that in your calendar right now I

928
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:24,630
know you haven't found it get a pencil

929
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:28,410
then okay Saturday November 18th at the

930
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:30,210
Sheraton on the park Grand Ballroom

931
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Elizabeth Street Sydney but they go an

932
00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:34,410
outlet Elizabeth Street that's in

933
00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:36,840
Elizabeth Street Sydney it promises to

934
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:39,150
be a grand event in its own right and

935
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,050
its own left but certainly not its own

936
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:45,480
all right you know what I'm saying

937
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,610
you know you got like a new people tough

938
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:49,680
crowd the ticket of dinner will cost a

939
00:36:54,590 --> 00:36:51,330
hundred and thirty dollars per person

940
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,600
and it includes a three-course meal plus

941
00:37:00,110 --> 00:36:56,700
coffee and tea oh well that's worth

942
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:00,120
around zone all drinks wine beer and

943
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,090
soft drinks musical entertainment from

944
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:05,280
reinsuring a ward wedding music producer

945
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:06,650
and screen composer from New Zealand

946
00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:09,810
known for his fusion of atmospheric post

947
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:12,020
rock with electronic and chamber music

948
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:14,510
that sounds dangerous

949
00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:17,160
fusion I thought so it's got like CERN

950
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:17,670
is it

951
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:21,240
I'm Arirang well look look this this may

952
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:23,130
be an issue for some people there will

953
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:26,070
be alleged magician comedian eli baz

954
00:37:30,590 --> 00:37:28,410
neck and podcaster from god-awful movies

955
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:30,600
and the scathing atheist is also known

956
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:32,820
to Australian Customs and you know why

957
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:35,070
the annual skeptic award will be

958
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:37,020
announced that's right the annual

959
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:39,420
skeptic Awards will be announced the

960
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,850
skeptic of the Year thorn of award for

961
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:43,980
the promotion of reason and the least

962
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:45,930
sought-after award of the year anywhere

963
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:48,600
the bent spoon not to mention the

964
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:51,270
conviviality and fun of the largest

965
00:37:54,010 --> 00:37:52,830
annual gathering of skeptics in

966
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,020
Australia

967
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:56,720
and a lie Bozek the sheraton on the park

968
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:58,490
is only a short walk from the convention

969
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:00,920
venue at the city of saddle hall angel

970
00:38:05,470 --> 00:38:03,110
plays sydney all of welcome to this

971
00:38:08,109 --> 00:38:05,480
kid-friendly event tickets are available

972
00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:08,119
from sceptics calm but are you for all

973
00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:25,340
your sceptical needs on the 10th of

974
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:28,790
September a Facebook page was brought to

975
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:30,410
my attention by my good friend Rebecca

976
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:32,990
Jones who sent me a little message with

977
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:38,810
a link to no jab no play no way rally to

978
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:40,940
be held on Tuesday the 12th of September

979
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:43,490
10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and the Facebook page

980
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:46,550
says Sydney CBD Martin place opposite

981
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:48,050
the New South Wales Parliament House

982
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:51,350
Macquarie Street no jab no played no way

983
00:38:58,750 --> 00:38:54,220
rally hosted by no jab no paid no way

984
00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:58,760
freedom of choice details in caps urgent

985
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:01,700
Sydney rally against New South Wales no

986
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:05,330
jab no play legislation then in mix caps

987
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,340
the New South Wales State Parliament

988
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:09,440
lower house will vote on the public

989
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:12,290
health Amendment Review bill on the 12th

990
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:15,380
of September 2017 this bill will

991
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:17,750
ultimately remove the conscientious and

992
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:20,300
religious exemptions for non vaccinated

993
00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:22,190
children so that they will no longer be

994
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:24,230
able to attend any New South Wales child

995
00:39:29,530 --> 00:39:26,750
care centres the politicians and the

996
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:29,540
media have created an environment of

997
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,420
bullying hate intimidation and coercion

998
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:34,640
against anyone who does not agree with

999
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:37,190
their vaccine policies Australians are

1000
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:39,770
being blackmailed bribed and financially

1001
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:43,250
punished enough is enough and it goes on

1002
00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:46,850
in a similar vein and towards the end it

1003
00:39:53,859 --> 00:39:50,600
says let's make this the biggest rally

1004
00:39:56,349 --> 00:39:53,869
ever exclamation mark exclamation mark

1005
00:39:59,170 --> 00:39:56,359
exclamation mark in caps let's unite

1006
00:40:01,859 --> 00:39:59,180
let's say to Australia we are here we

1007
00:40:04,270 --> 00:40:01,869
are growing and we are not going away

1008
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,280
come and listen to over 10 medical and

1009
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:06,710
scientific speakers as well as recent

1010
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:07,770
vaccine

1011
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,740
injury victims and at the end there are

1012
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,599
some tags one that says free admission

1013
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:15,440
well it's a in a public square and

1014
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:19,859
almost unbelievably ironically the other

1015
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:22,230
tag says kid-friendly

1016
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:24,660
so I thought I'd go along I thought I'd

1017
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:27,650
go along and see what there was to see

1018
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:30,750
just observe just see what's the rally

1019
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:33,380
you don't see many of these anymore and

1020
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,970
upon my arrival yes there were some

1021
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:38,160
people standing around i guesstimate

1022
00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:41,250
about 50 all up there were t-shirts and

1023
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:43,589
banners and posters one poster stuck

1024
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:46,770
into a flowerbed read vaccines harm

1025
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:48,990
babies there was a big banner said

1026
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,810
parents for safe vaccines no jab no

1027
00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:53,940
playing no way another one that said we

1028
00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:57,030
just want safe vaccines exclamation mark

1029
00:41:02,420 --> 00:40:59,780
doctors remember your Hippocratic oath

1030
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:02,430
parents please use the informed consent

1031
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:05,510
read the vaccine inserts now of course

1032
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,690
that's appalling ly hypocritical they

1033
00:41:13,070 --> 00:41:11,520
don't want safe vaccines they want no

1034
00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:13,080
vaccines they've made this quite clear

1035
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,470
another one read written on a bed sheet

1036
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,140
that would appear pro science pro-choice

1037
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,660
that's ironic for you but all in all

1038
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:23,040
this simply wasn't that many people

1039
00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:25,770
there I began to film for Facebook just

1040
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:28,280
live broadcast some of the talks and the

1041
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:32,580
the scene and as I was filming a woman

1042
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:35,660
saw me out of the corner of her eye and

1043
00:41:46,989 --> 00:41:39,500
darted over to me and the following

1044
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:53,180
just wanna make some people here how are

1045
00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:55,170
you today what are you up to today

1046
00:41:59,029 --> 00:41:56,819
I've come here to look at the rally what

1047
00:42:00,620 --> 00:41:59,039
are you up to today supporting the rally

1048
00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:00,630
what do you like to support so what you

1049
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,339
want to see him make Judy come and say

1050
00:42:07,249 --> 00:42:05,460
hello he came to me and she said that

1051
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:07,259
her daughter was severely damaged by the

1052
00:42:28,099 --> 00:42:25,059
[Applause]

1053
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:28,109
NinjaTrader what do you think about

1054
00:42:33,069 --> 00:42:29,910
people who obtain too much vaccinated

1055
00:42:37,759 --> 00:42:33,079
walls actually yeah to people checking

1056
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:37,769
in fact really I think there is a

1057
00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:41,730
vanishingly small case we sort of like

1058
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:44,039
it at the seatbelts every now and then

1059
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:47,880
the seatbelt will not help in the crash

1060
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:50,970
but millions of people are alive today

1061
00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:52,859
because the seatbelts with almost

1062
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:55,230
eradicated polio smallpox is a thing of

1063
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:55,980
the past

1064
00:43:01,549 --> 00:42:58,890
measles mumps and rubella I'm not the

1065
00:43:04,009 --> 00:43:01,559
curse they once were children still

1066
00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:04,019
sadly are dying by the thousands of

1067
00:43:08,029 --> 00:43:05,789
measles and we're working very hard to

1068
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:08,039
try and combat that so although it's

1069
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:08,670
pretty good

1070
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:09,780
so do you think

1071
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:12,540
the children have a right to me not

1072
00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:14,820
vaccinated if they have an injury or you

1073
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:17,340
think if they have an injury like do you

1074
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,870
think what about with medical exemptions

1075
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:20,940
and the sort of you know how hard it is

1076
00:43:27,350 --> 00:43:23,850
that would be up to the GP to make that

1077
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,360
right if the GPS considers that a child

1078
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:29,760
for whatever medical reasons it would

1079
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:31,230
not be appropriate for vaccination

1080
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:32,730
that's entirely their fault and when

1081
00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:34,410
you're coming to be positive here or

1082
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:40,620
coming to actually like observing what

1083
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:43,650
have you observed you at the moment of

1084
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:46,260
trying to observe it anyway thanks very

1085
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:50,190
much I'll keep observing so this is a

1086
00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:58,009
working often the flow you think you'll

1087
00:44:02,509 --> 00:43:59,670
actually anyone who you actually pay

1088
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:02,519
anyone that genuinely if they generally

1089
00:44:07,339 --> 00:44:04,890
have to get a psychic power yes but has

1090
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:07,349
to James Randi ever played anyone know

1091
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:13,680
the mean I'm just not sure about you

1092
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,390
want to talk about this challenge well

1093
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,920
yeah I was part of that challenge for

1094
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:22,079
many years and the reason he hasn't paid

1095
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:24,690
anybody is because they never could live

1096
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:28,710
up to their claims do enjoy doing well

1097
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:34,680
imagine if you don't let me do the fact

1098
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,420
that I don't believe in clairvoyance for

1099
00:44:39,529 --> 00:44:37,680
example doesn't mean there aren't

1100
00:44:41,749 --> 00:44:39,539
clairvoyance I'm my personal belief

1101
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,759
doesn't alter the way the universe is if

1102
00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:43,920
there are clairvoyance and we can

1103
00:44:48,259 --> 00:44:46,230
encourage them to demonstrate in a fair

1104
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,269
test not only do they get a hundred

1105
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:50,400
thousand dollars that society in general

1106
00:44:55,249 --> 00:44:52,910
would benefit enormously don't you think

1107
00:44:57,799 --> 00:44:55,259
yes I know I think it's right but I just

1108
00:44:59,839 --> 00:44:57,809
feel sort of theme of what you've done

1109
00:45:01,249 --> 00:44:59,849
like peeking supplements and just never

1110
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,259
see any clear lines come up to the

1111
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:03,420
challenge I know lots have they all

1112
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:05,160
failed so that's it yeah I think you're

1113
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:07,180
doing it

1114
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:12,140
to see if they have the power they claim

1115
00:45:15,999 --> 00:45:13,640
to have but do you believe they have the

1116
00:45:18,609 --> 00:45:16,009
power they have after 40 years of

1117
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:18,619
testing and all failed I think we've got

1118
00:45:22,029 --> 00:45:20,119
a good right well I've got a good right

1119
00:45:23,799 --> 00:45:22,039
to say no I don't think something but

1120
00:45:28,359 --> 00:45:23,809
you know what what if I'm wrong and they

1121
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,369
have their psychic power I didn't create

1122
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:30,079
the universe all the laws the government

1123
00:45:33,579 --> 00:45:32,150
if there are psychics out there who can

1124
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:33,589
demonstrate it then of course would

1125
00:45:43,569 --> 00:45:40,490
accept that wouldn't you skeptics we

1126
00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:43,579
told to put up or shut up you rotten

1127
00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:45,980
skeptics put up some money and we'll see

1128
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,630
you we did 50 years ago and fifty years

1129
00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:53,599
of fair tests in cooperation with the

1130
00:45:58,690 --> 00:45:56,809
people wanting to be tested none of none

1131
00:46:00,220 --> 00:45:58,700
of sure and they could do it that

1132
00:46:03,759 --> 00:46:00,230
doesn't mean we should give up do you

1133
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:03,769
think we should give up don't you want

1134
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:05,180
to know if there are real psychics how

1135
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:09,480
they believe in us I just feel a lot of

1136
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,369
you're really running the whole sort of

1137
00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:13,500
a gap campaign against North Baxter's

1138
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,470
making tunnels them well we're just

1139
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:17,940
talking about one about the psychic

1140
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:22,170
challenge challenge is this a lot more

1141
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:23,849
what you do is this is a very nice I

1142
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,420
mean you guys are right we're thoroughly

1143
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:32,520
about health so what sort of help is it

1144
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,579
a farmer back Hill is it I felt back to

1145
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:37,740
you for those of you playing bingo

1146
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,810
Markov conspiracy theory are you basing

1147
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:45,839
it on the best health that our societies

1148
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:48,810
ever produced which is scientific

1149
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:52,160
letters we sit down and have a coffee

1150
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,480
who you're here just to really you're

1151
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:59,280
not placing a what up I'm here to be

1152
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:01,020
quiet and watch this but you can't

1153
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:02,940
really not can get dirt on us I like you

1154
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:10,710
I'm here at this stage she sort of

1155
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:13,619
melted away back into the crowd and I

1156
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:15,810
turned to the camera and said have we

1157
00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:17,880
seen enough I mean the crowds pretty

1158
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:19,480
small

1159
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:22,030
it's just bugged back into conspiracy

1160
00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:24,670
theories they're going to lose the boat

1161
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:26,320
anyway what do you think those are the

1162
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:29,350
banks Impossibles I believe Maxine

1163
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,240
produces and our Public Health

1164
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,960
Department's is a moral hazard and much

1165
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,880
as I'd like to hang around this system I

1166
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:39,040
think we've snakes you get the general

1167
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:40,600
idea what's going on here it's the same

1168
00:47:46,110 --> 00:47:42,030
old thing we're seeing again and again

1169
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:46,120
the the turnout is pathetic it is a

1170
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:48,100
Tuesday I'll say that's a lot of people

1171
00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:51,430
probably couldn't be here but maybe it's

1172
00:48:00,570 --> 00:47:55,000
the tail end of of this whole thing

1173
00:48:01,950 --> 00:48:00,580
he'll never really go away of course

1174
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:01,960
they said let's make this the largest

1175
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:04,150
rally ever and as we've said there was

1176
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,000
only about 50 people there and the irony

1177
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:09,760
is not lost on anybody I think where I

1178
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:11,410
was standing there minding my own

1179
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:13,780
business simply filming and having a

1180
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:16,540
look and the woman who accused me of all

1181
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:18,190
sorts of things are being a nasty person

1182
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:20,740
basically in making trouble and all that

1183
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:23,050
was the one who was making trouble and

1184
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:24,850
being a nasty person and being in my

1185
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:28,360
face oh dear but now and I'm reading

1186
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:30,520
this to you on the 14th of September

1187
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:34,270
this article has just been published at

1188
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,860
the Australian skeptics website by Tim

1189
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:38,400
Mendham New South Wales Parliament no

1190
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:41,470
conscientious objection to vaccination

1191
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:43,660
the New South Wales Parliament has

1192
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:46,810
passed legislation removing exemptions

1193
00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:48,670
for conscientious objection in

1194
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:50,500
vaccination rules and tightening

1195
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:52,690
vaccination requirements for childcare

1196
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:54,970
centers and schools the public health

1197
00:49:01,620 --> 00:48:58,330
Amendment Review bill 2017 passed both

1198
00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:01,630
houses on September 13th and now awaits

1199
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:04,600
Royal Assent Lee bill amendments

1200
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:06,490
explanatory notes and Hansard

1201
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:08,710
transcripts of second reading speeches

1202
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:10,930
are available at the Parliament House

1203
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:13,840
website and there's a link provided the

1204
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:15,790
article talks more about the bill but at

1205
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:19,330
the end as a report on the rally aunty

1206
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:21,370
VAX rally on the day before the

1207
00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:23,860
parliamentary debate there was a rally

1208
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:26,080
of aunty vaccinators in Martin Place

1209
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:27,790
Sydney opposite the New South Wales

1210
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:30,790
Parliament House speakers included Judy

1211
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:33,400
why Lehman whose conspiracy orientated

1212
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:35,110
PhD issued by the University of

1213
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:37,210
Wollongong raised the ire of academic

1214
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,330
sceptics and the public last year why

1215
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:42,400
Lehman was joint winner of the skeptics

1216
00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:45,370
bent spoon award for 2016 the turnout

1217
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:48,100
could only be described as minimal

1218
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:50,200
accounts made by skeptics who attended

1219
00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:51,580
the rally were that there were

1220
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:54,580
approximately 15 protesters many of whom

1221
00:49:59,550 --> 00:49:55,960
seemed to be talking amongst themselves

1222
00:50:02,070 --> 00:49:59,560
rather than listening to the four hours

1223
00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:02,080
of speeches following the rally some

1224
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,150
protestors moved into the public gallery

1225
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:05,920
of the New South Wales Parliament to

1226
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:08,260
watch the debate at the end of question

1227
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:10,390
time when no vaccination issues were

1228
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:13,690
raised they then left disappointed in

1229
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,430
fact the health Amendment bill was not

1230
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:17,920
debated until the following day and that

1231
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:20,380
article has a lot more information to it

1232
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,940
than I'll read out here I'll leave you

1233
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,160
to read that at skeptics calm today you

1234
00:50:29,610 --> 00:50:27,280
so there we are my adventures with the

1235
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:29,620
anti vaccinators at their own rally

1236
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:31,270
thank you to all those people who

1237
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:34,660
watched on live as that woman I won't

1238
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:37,510
say it costed me she just got in my face

1239
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:38,980
and she was taking a video and

1240
00:50:43,530 --> 00:50:41,410
photographs of me and more than one

1241
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:43,540
person has made the comment that it's

1242
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:45,970
very much like what Scientologists do

1243
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:48,730
and now I don't for one moment suggest

1244
00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:49,690
that she has anything to do with

1245
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:51,550
Scientology but it was a similar sort of

1246
00:50:56,910 --> 00:50:53,050
thing just getting in your face and

1247
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:56,920
being vocal and not letting the the

1248
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:00,010
topic drop I think she was annoyed I was

1249
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:02,230
there and she must have recognized me

1250
00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:05,080
from my recent TV appearances or in

1251
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:06,940
general I guess and I guess she was

1252
00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:09,730
doubly annoyed when I didn't take the

1253
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:11,560
bait and I wasn't being disruptive or

1254
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:13,720
rude or disrespectful and I simply

1255
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:15,370
answered her questions and spoke with

1256
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:17,860
her instead of being what she wanted me

1257
00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:19,600
and desperately needed me to be which

1258
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:23,800
was some sort of some sort of agent

1259
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:27,670
there to disrupt things or spy or dig

1260
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,480
the dirt or some such James Bond fantasy

1261
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:33,520
rubbish so another week in the life of

1262
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:35,590
being an active skeptic

1263
00:51:57,549 --> 00:51:55,359
from the dawn of time one podcast has

1264
00:51:59,949 --> 00:51:57,559
unlocked the secrets of science and

1265
00:52:02,469 --> 00:51:59,959
technology to enrich the lives of

1266
00:52:04,269 --> 00:52:02,479
billions and now after a year where

1267
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:04,279
they've unlocked the golden age of

1268
00:52:09,729 --> 00:52:06,440
knowledge they're about to hit warp

1269
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,739
speed and go stratospheric holed up on

1270
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:12,079
oh no Ross and Carrie we don't make

1271
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:14,569
extraordinary claims we investigate them

1272
00:52:19,089 --> 00:52:16,700
we go undercover with fringe religious

1273
00:52:20,829 --> 00:52:19,099
groups investigate paranormal claims and

1274
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:20,839
we participate in pseudo scientific

1275
00:52:25,059 --> 00:52:22,910
medical treatments and then report our

1276
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:25,069
findings to you and yes we've even

1277
00:52:33,309 --> 00:52:29,900
investigated new episodes every month at

1278
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:33,319
maximum fun org oh no Ross and Carrie

1279
00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:44,370
[Applause]

1280
00:52:50,770 --> 00:52:47,840
now you will remember last week I ran

1281
00:52:53,530 --> 00:52:50,780
the audio from my TV appearance here in

1282
00:52:57,610 --> 00:52:53,540
Australia to talk about the Australian

1283
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:57,620
skeptics $100,000 challenge the other

1284
00:53:01,960 --> 00:52:59,480
guests they had on the segment was

1285
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:01,970
somebody who claims to be psychic

1286
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:06,670
Ruth or Ruthie Phillips and as an aside

1287
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:10,130
when I was lined up to go on the show I

1288
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:11,750
wasn't told that there would be a

1289
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:14,420
psychic or someone on there to put the

1290
00:53:18,850 --> 00:53:16,670
other side of the story as they like to

1291
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:18,860
say so I was quite unprepared

1292
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:21,230
nevertheless you know you do these

1293
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:23,510
things I've got a lot of positive

1294
00:53:30,610 --> 00:53:27,800
comment about the fact that I went on

1295
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:30,620
the show and at least got some points

1296
00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:32,390
across as you would have heard last week

1297
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:34,100
or those people have seen the video and

1298
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:35,630
if you haven't seen the video there's a

1299
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,300
link on last week's show notes commend

1300
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:39,680
them at the Australian skeptics put

1301
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:41,990
together with my help this little

1302
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:45,650
overview of the of the appearance which

1303
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:49,280
can be found at WWDC upticks comdata you

1304
00:53:56,740 --> 00:53:53,330
quote top clairvoyant in quote refuses

1305
00:54:00,990 --> 00:53:56,750
skeptics $100,000 challenge published on

1306
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,000
the 11th of September 2017 by Tim Mendel

1307
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:03,920
Ruthie Phillips who builds herself as

1308
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:07,040
quote Australia's top clairvoyant medium

1309
00:54:11,110 --> 00:54:09,560
in quote has turned down an offer to be

1310
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:11,120
tested for the Australian skeptics

1311
00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:14,150
$100,000 challenge the offer was made to

1312
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:16,220
her by Australian skeptics in committee

1313
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,320
member richardsaunders on Channel

1314
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:20,720
Seven's weekend sunrise program on

1315
00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:23,450
September the 9th Saunders is chief

1316
00:54:27,970 --> 00:54:25,100
investigator of the Australian skeptics

1317
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:27,980
Inc and judge on Channel Seven's

1318
00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:31,310
the one psychic challenge series as an

1319
00:54:39,730 --> 00:54:35,500
aside the last series of that aired in

1320
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:39,740
2011 we read on he had been asked on the

1321
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:41,930
sunrise show to talk about the prize and

1322
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:44,510
the fact that no one had successfully

1323
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,540
claimed it in 37 years this followed an

1324
00:54:52,570 --> 00:54:50,180
article on ABC Online which featured an

1325
00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:52,580
interview with former Victorian skeptics

1326
00:54:56,410 --> 00:54:54,740
president Terry Kelly outlining the

1327
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:56,420
history of the challenge and the

1328
00:55:00,540 --> 00:54:57,380
opportunities it

1329
00:55:04,540 --> 00:55:00,550
offers anyone with a paranormal ability

1330
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:04,550
the $100,000 challenge is open to anyone

1331
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:06,650
who can prove a psychic or paranormal

1332
00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:09,910
ability under scientific conditions as

1333
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:13,400
another side that sometimes gets

1334
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:15,740
misconstrued or misinterpreted people

1335
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:19,670
think we have to test claims in a lab or

1336
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:20,830
something like that

1337
00:55:25,210 --> 00:55:23,090
scientific condition simply means good

1338
00:55:28,990 --> 00:55:25,220
observing conditions or fair conditions

1339
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:29,000
or conditions which eliminate cheating

1340
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:31,790
or random chance things like that it

1341
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:34,760
continues as a result of the ABC article

1342
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:37,370
and Saunders TV appearance the skeptics

1343
00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:39,650
have received a stream of applications

1344
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:42,860
from psychics ghost hunters and even an

1345
00:55:46,990 --> 00:55:45,530
egg sex er not to mention other media

1346
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:47,000
outlets wanting to know about the

1347
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:49,400
challenge Phillips looked too decidedly

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uncomfortable when Saunders offered her

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a promotional check for the $100,000

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refusing to touch it quote I personally

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wouldn't set myself up for a fall like

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that because I think there are many

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parameters attached to this it's an

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inexact science in quote she said though

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the term science might be debatable

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00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:12,320
quote you don't have control over all

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the things like time and space on the

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day lots of things can cloud your

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ability in quote Phillips does

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presumably charge a fee for her services

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one wonders if she offers a money-back

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guarantee if it is a cloudy day quote if

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00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:32,840
Ruthie has any real paranormal powers

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00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:35,030
she could easily take home the cash and

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00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:37,640
quote said Saunders quote and it's

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tax-free when quote Saunders pointed out

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that over the 37 years that these

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00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:45,380
skeptics have been around they have

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tested hundreds of people including many

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00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:49,940
water diviners as well as psychics

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clairvoyance prophets and and

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telekinesis every test is designed in

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accordance with the claimants skills and

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has to be agreed to beforehand by both

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parties to be fair and aboveboard the

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skeptics offer is quote still open to

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Philips or anyone else in Australia who

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claims they can talk with the dead or

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read people's or

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whereas man such like unquote Saunders

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00:57:18,009 --> 00:57:16,309
said it is interesting to note that many

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00:57:20,589 --> 00:57:18,019
in the paranormal game in Australia

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00:57:22,930 --> 00:57:20,599
label themselves as being the best

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00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:22,940
apart from Ruthie Phillips Australia's

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00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:26,180
top clairvoyant medium there is Milton

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00:57:31,930 --> 00:57:28,700
black Australia's leading astrologer and

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00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:31,940
psychic Mitchell Coombs Australia's most

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00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:35,420
trusted medium Frances Bevan Australia's

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00:57:38,849 --> 00:57:37,849
most accurate clairvoyant psychic and

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astrologer

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00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:41,960
Amanda Australia's most popular phone

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00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:45,529
psychic Deb Webber Australia's best and

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00:57:51,789 --> 00:57:48,799
most famous psychic medium and Katrina

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00:57:54,339 --> 00:57:51,799
legato Australia's foremost psychic

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00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:54,349
healer considering they're promoted

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00:58:01,289 --> 00:57:57,740
skills any or all of these are invited

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00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:01,299
to apply for the $100,000 challenge and

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00:58:06,990 --> 00:58:05,089
that report can be found at WWDC optics

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00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:07,000
calm

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calling all skeptics in the pub

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00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:27,280
organizers across the world we need your

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00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:31,210
data this is Brian eggo from Glasgow

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00:58:34,050 --> 00:58:33,340
skeptics here and I'm looking for your

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00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:34,060
input

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:36,160
the skeptics in the pub organizer

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00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:38,290
workshop will be back as usual this year

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:40,390
at QED but we're doing things a little

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00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:42,370
differently and we'd like to hear from

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00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:44,740
you even if you can't make it to the

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:48,040
conference this year we want to build as

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00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:50,530
accurate a picture as possible about how

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00:58:54,420 --> 00:58:52,540
many active skeptics groups there are

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00:58:57,810 --> 00:58:54,430
out there and gather some information

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00:58:59,100 --> 00:58:57,820
about how you run your operations to do

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:58:59,110
this we'd like to invite a

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00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:02,530
representative from each si TP group to

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:05,080
complete a survey the data we gather

1418
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:06,970
from it will form the basis of how we

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00:59:12,450 --> 00:59:10,690
approach the workshop of QED for those

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00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:12,460
that are going to be there we'll tailor

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00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:14,530
the session based on your survey input

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00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:16,690
and discuss the topics that you want to

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00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:18,790
cover we'll certainly have the

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00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:20,550
opportunity to discuss best practices

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00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:23,230
and perhaps amuse ourselves with some of

1426
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:24,460
the highs and lows we've encountered

1427
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:27,010
over the year if you're not gonna be

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00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:29,140
there we're gonna share the data with

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00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:31,570
you after the conference and maybe we

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00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:33,490
can all find out some best practice

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00:59:42,090 --> 00:59:36,790
together to get to the survey please go

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00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:42,100
to Glasgow skeptics comm /si TP or go to

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00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:45,070
QED condo org and look for the skeptics

1434
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:47,460
in the pub organizer workshop page

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01:00:07,099 --> 00:59:49,890
looking forward to hearing from you

1436
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:09,450
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1437
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:11,470
zone now a few notes and loose ends to

1438
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,099
tie up just a yesterday I went along for

1439
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:17,680
a couple of hours to attend the comedy

1440
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:20,140
writing workshop of Tim Ferguson now Tim

1441
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,140
Ferguson does the bunga bunga podcast

1442
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:25,599
with our reporter Maynard and that's an

1443
01:00:29,849 --> 01:00:27,609
award-winning comedy podcast that show

1444
01:00:32,279 --> 01:00:29,859
won the the best comedy podcast in

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01:00:35,009 --> 01:00:32,289
Australia at earlier this year at the

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01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,019
podcasting Awards and Tim is running

1447
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,079
these comedy workshops to day events

1448
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:40,240
what I saw and what I learned from my

1449
01:00:46,279 --> 01:00:43,569
brief time at the course was eye-opening

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:46,289
was fantastic and he says so many

1451
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:49,210
incisive things about writing comedy and

1452
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:51,670
I learned a lot so if you're interested

1453
01:00:57,059 --> 01:00:55,150
in our comedy writing I noticed Tim has

1454
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:57,069
another masterclass coming up in

1455
01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:00,400
Melbourne in November I'll put a link in

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01:01:05,970 --> 01:01:02,200
the show notes but the website to check

1457
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,980
out is cheeky monkey comedy calm cheeky

1458
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:08,079
monkey comedy calm find out all about

1459
01:01:14,279 --> 01:01:11,470
Tim and his master classes in writing

1460
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,289
and understanding comedy he started off

1461
01:01:18,990 --> 01:01:16,000
with why did the chicken cross the road

1462
01:01:20,849 --> 01:01:19,000
and it just got better now here's a note

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:20,859
from the Australian skeptics the

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01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:22,690
Australian skeptics convention is coming

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01:01:27,569 --> 01:01:24,430
up as you know as we've been promoting

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01:01:31,319 --> 01:01:27,579
the dinner - which looks fabulous but

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01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:31,329
also one of the the major events every

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01:01:35,789 --> 01:01:33,130
year at the convention is the awarding

1469
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:35,799
of the bent spoon award now this is a

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01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:38,710
plea a crime to everybody in Australia

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01:01:43,049 --> 01:01:40,809
if you want to nominate somebody or an

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01:01:46,499 --> 01:01:43,059
organization or a device or a product

1473
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,509
for the bent spoon award something you

1474
01:01:51,269 --> 01:01:48,880
think is shonky or dodgy well doesn't

1475
01:01:53,549 --> 01:01:51,279
live up to the paranormal promise maybe

1476
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:53,559
it's a free energy claim ahead to

1477
01:01:57,930 --> 01:01:56,049
skeptics comdataís you click the link

1478
01:02:00,779 --> 01:01:57,940
for the bent Spirit Award and please

1479
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:00,789
send in your nominations we we're going

1480
01:02:04,769 --> 01:02:03,160
to put lots up soon we're sort of

1481
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:04,779
gathering a list but we do need input

1482
01:02:11,009 --> 01:02:08,160
from the public here's your chance

1483
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,019
nominate someone something we will

1484
01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:13,119
review your nomination to make sure it

1485
01:02:18,140 --> 01:02:15,630
sort of fits within the guidelines and

1486
01:02:20,090 --> 01:02:18,150
who knows the the person or the product

1487
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:20,100
you nominate could end up winning the

1488
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:23,460
bent spoon award and finally our dear

1489
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:25,170
friend susan gerbic from guerrilla

1490
01:02:36,110 --> 01:02:29,540
skepticism just just yesterday sent me

1491
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:36,120
this message this is a Wikipedia project

1492
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:41,520
we're here at the Norway sceptical

1493
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:44,460
lecture and Mark Edward and myself have

1494
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:46,500
just finished lecturing to the Norwegian

1495
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:49,530
growth and hi mark

1496
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,710
hi everybody and I'm sitting here and

1497
01:02:56,690 --> 01:02:54,240
I'm talking to a young woman and she

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01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:56,700
noticed my hearing and I'm wearing an

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01:03:01,310 --> 01:02:59,880
origami dinosaur and she says no is that

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01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:01,320
a richardsaunders

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01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:13,700
earring and I said participants from

1502
01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:29,370
skeptics low mark Edward and I are on

1503
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:33,020
tour so tomorrow we're going to be in

1504
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:36,450
Copenhagen no no tomorrow is Stockholm

1505
01:03:41,390 --> 01:03:39,240
no Stockholm oh we're having a great

1506
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,400
time having to bear with everybody and

1507
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,980
you got something out of the lecture

1508
01:03:48,250 --> 01:03:46,079
that mark and I gave different lectures

1509
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:48,260
tell us tell us something you learned

1510
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:51,690
well I heard about their guerrilla

1511
01:03:59,120 --> 01:03:54,570
skepticism before I never learned more

1512
01:04:06,150 --> 01:03:59,130
about how to get into it and why it's

1513
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:09,059
thank you guys Thank You Susan and thank

1514
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:11,410
you Karina what what nice things to say

1515
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:14,140
about me I'm very jealous of Susan of

1516
01:04:17,549 --> 01:04:15,970
course and our reporter answer give

1517
01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:17,559
they're heading for the European

1518
01:04:23,309 --> 01:04:21,220
skeptics Congress which is this week wow

1519
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:23,319
I wish I was there I do look forward to

1520
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:25,089
hearing all about it

1521
01:04:30,059 --> 01:04:28,180
tickets are still available and you can

1522
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:30,069
find a link on this week's show notes if

1523
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:33,609
you're in Poland or in Germany or

1524
01:04:40,289 --> 01:04:37,119
anywhere around Europe or anywhere get

1525
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:40,299
on a plane I will be there in spirit I

1526
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:42,490
guess you'd say and I look forward to

1527
01:04:46,499 --> 01:04:43,450
hearing all about it

1528
01:04:48,089 --> 01:04:46,509
and just before I sign off thank you

1529
01:04:49,620 --> 01:04:48,099
very much for the people who continue to

1530
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:49,630
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1531
01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:51,940
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1532
01:04:57,779 --> 01:04:54,700
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1533
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,789
who chipped in with a generous donation

1534
01:05:03,210 --> 01:05:00,000
this week to help keep the show going

1535
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,220
Thank You Jeffrey but for now this is

1536
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:05,920
Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

1537
01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:12,250
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01:05:18,690 --> 01:05:14,859
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